Collab:Gobrassanya
Gobrassanya is a "collaborative territory," marked on the overview map with the color purple.
This talk page is intended to support collaboration for this country. If you have a particular interest in Gobras City, note that a separate collaboration page exists.
Active Users
Some long-term users have taken a particular interest in Gobrassanya. If you have questions about a feature or area, or an idea, it can be helpful to contact one of these users. If you have taken a particular interest in Gobrassanya, and your name is not on this list, please feel free to add your name below.
- Bstn - a major contributor to Gobrassanya, especially southwest of Gobras City.
- chazeltine - a major contributor to Gobras City and northern Harley District.
- Easky30 - a major contributor to Gobrassanya.
- gmxr - a major contributor to Gobrassanya.
- indyroads - a major contributor to Gobrassanya, and owner of neighboring Alora.
- isleño - one of the admin team, and manager for neighboring Khaiwoon, which has strong cultural ties with Gobrassanya.
- Luciano - one of the admin team, and minor past contributor to parts of Gobras City.
- MatthewAnderson707 - a major contributor to Gobrassanya.
- wangi - a major contributor to Gobras City.
- bootmii - a major contributor to Gobrassanya motorways.
Culture/History of Gobrassanya
OK, so here's my thinking about Gobrassanya. Let me know if it makes sense: I think the most realistic explanation for the huge mix of different European names in Gobrassanya is that it must have been colonized by various European-like groups (English, Spanish, French, German, Irish, etc). I think all these groups must have migrated to Gobrassanya, because it's hard to imagine that they all originated there. Then there are a lot of non-European names, which I imagine came from the original inhabitants. In the wiki I've labeled these people "Gobrasi" and to explain the fact that many of their names sound totally different from one another, I wrote in the wiki that the Gobrasi are made up of a large number of different cultures (Maranese/Gorrawa, Pohalanese, Yanti, Colquit, etc). I imagine these native cultures as vaguely Asian-like, in order to provide some continuity with Khaiwoon, which is also somewhat Asian-inspired (though colonized by English speakers). So in order to smooth the transition from Gobrassanya into Khaiwoon, I wanted to be sure that the southeastern part of Gobrassanya still had a significant Gobrasi flavor, which is why I changed Strassen/Carlsberg to Sutarasa/Kalabag. But in central and western Gobrassanya (where Harley is located) you could imagine a different story, one where the Gobrasi were forced out of the area, or barred from speaking their native languages, or something... and so it's possible that European names could dominate there. So really, whatever story you want to create for that area would probably work there, maybe something that fits with whatever you have in mind next door in Alora...? Isleño (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2014 (CEST)
- The somewhat "natural" explanation: during the 19th century the Aloran empire went through a period of decline, which allowed the european (???) powers to seize parts of it to develop trading posts in strategically avantageous locations. Later, when the usual 99-year leases where running out and the colonies where to be returned to Alora, their inhabitants mutinied and declared their independence (thereby uniting out of necessity to strengthen their position). Alternative theory: Gobrassanya is the holy land, and the "europeans" are descendants of medieval crusaders. Thilo (talk) 19:11, 6 August 2014 (CEST)
- Intriguing ideas... (Although if Gobrassanya was a "holy land" then I'd expect to see a lot more ancient stuff there. To me it seems pretty modern for the most part.) In any case it appears that both Alora and Gobrassanya are mainly inhabited by the descendants of the "Europeans" so it might be fun to imagine what sort of dynamic would play out, where the colonies as well as the non-colonized state both undergo "European" settlement and then the colonies are slated to be returned. Interesting idea, I like how it creates some tension. (Btw in the wiki, I used the word "white" instead of "European" because it doesn't imply the existence of Europe, but it feels a little weird to be using it... Perhaps we should consider replacement terms for things like "European" "English" "Christian" etc. so that we're not constantly mentioning geography and history which is nonexistent in this world. Maybe using a pattern that's easy to remember and expand upon, for example, "European" --> "Europic"... "English" --> "Englandic"... "Christian" --> "Christic"... or maybe I'm the only one who's irked by these Earth words, haha.) Isleño (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2014 (CEST)
- Yeah you're right, most of Gobrassanya looks much too modern (OTOH, Tel Aviv also does). However, people have already mapped churches or declared the main religion of their country to be "catholic". Which of course begs the question about the "catholic" church: Does it have a pope? Is it "roman" catholic? Where is its "Rome"? I imagine Roantra to have its own autocephalous church, headed by its own roantian pope, to at least avoid some of those problems. And Sathria will have at least three of them. Still, the holy land probably has to be somewhere. The same is to some extent valid for the european languages. I don't really care if a language on our planet is called "English" or "Englandic", but the fact that cannot be denied is that e.g. Orinoco has the same language as parts of Gobrassanya, which has to be explained somehow. Or maybe not, I don't really know. At the end of a day, I feel that having a vibrant community where users can do more or less what they want, is much more important to me than to enforce historical consistency. --Thilo (talk) 22:39, 7 August 2014 (CEST)
- I agree it wouldn't be good to force things on people, just a suggestion. One of the things I love about maps is deciphering them, searching for patterns to discover an underlying story. (Why are these islands in this shape? Why did these people settle in this area? Why did this city develop this layout?) And that desire to understand, to make sense of a complex structure, extends to larger stuff that transcends national boundaries too (Where did this language originate? How did this religion evolve?) and so not only do I want to seek answers to those questions, but also to help encourage enough consistency so that others too can enjoy discovering the underlying stories of this OGF world.--Isleño (talk) 08:37, 8 August 2014 (CEST)
- As Isleño stated earlier "Perhaps we should consider replacement terms for things like "European" "English" "Christian" etc. so that we're not constantly mentioning geography and history which is nonexistent in this world. Maybe using a pattern that's easy to remember and expand upon, for example, "European" --> "Europic"... "English" --> "Englandic"... "Christian" --> "Christic"..." I propose that we come up with terminlogy to replace earth words... I see that in Khaiwoon English is refered to as Ingerish and I would propose that it would be the replacement word for English and couls also be the word used to replace British and other englandic descriptors. German and French could also be renamed as well I propose 'Hunnish' instead of German/Deutsch. Christianity could become the "Christic Movement" and/or "The Way" and followers would be simply be known as "Followers".--Indyroads (talk) 22:52, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
- I agree it wouldn't be good to force things on people, just a suggestion. One of the things I love about maps is deciphering them, searching for patterns to discover an underlying story. (Why are these islands in this shape? Why did these people settle in this area? Why did this city develop this layout?) And that desire to understand, to make sense of a complex structure, extends to larger stuff that transcends national boundaries too (Where did this language originate? How did this religion evolve?) and so not only do I want to seek answers to those questions, but also to help encourage enough consistency so that others too can enjoy discovering the underlying stories of this OGF world.--Isleño (talk) 08:37, 8 August 2014 (CEST)
- Yeah you're right, most of Gobrassanya looks much too modern (OTOH, Tel Aviv also does). However, people have already mapped churches or declared the main religion of their country to be "catholic". Which of course begs the question about the "catholic" church: Does it have a pope? Is it "roman" catholic? Where is its "Rome"? I imagine Roantra to have its own autocephalous church, headed by its own roantian pope, to at least avoid some of those problems. And Sathria will have at least three of them. Still, the holy land probably has to be somewhere. The same is to some extent valid for the european languages. I don't really care if a language on our planet is called "English" or "Englandic", but the fact that cannot be denied is that e.g. Orinoco has the same language as parts of Gobrassanya, which has to be explained somehow. Or maybe not, I don't really know. At the end of a day, I feel that having a vibrant community where users can do more or less what they want, is much more important to me than to enforce historical consistency. --Thilo (talk) 22:39, 7 August 2014 (CEST)
- Intriguing ideas... (Although if Gobrassanya was a "holy land" then I'd expect to see a lot more ancient stuff there. To me it seems pretty modern for the most part.) In any case it appears that both Alora and Gobrassanya are mainly inhabited by the descendants of the "Europeans" so it might be fun to imagine what sort of dynamic would play out, where the colonies as well as the non-colonized state both undergo "European" settlement and then the colonies are slated to be returned. Interesting idea, I like how it creates some tension. (Btw in the wiki, I used the word "white" instead of "European" because it doesn't imply the existence of Europe, but it feels a little weird to be using it... Perhaps we should consider replacement terms for things like "European" "English" "Christian" etc. so that we're not constantly mentioning geography and history which is nonexistent in this world. Maybe using a pattern that's easy to remember and expand upon, for example, "European" --> "Europic"... "English" --> "Englandic"... "Christian" --> "Christic"... or maybe I'm the only one who's irked by these Earth words, haha.) Isleño (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2014 (CEST)
If I look to Uletha then I see the structur of a changed Europe and Asia, if I see Tarephia then this is Northern America and Anteraphia southern America - as in a changing mirror. Only Archanta is really new. That were my associations from beginning and so it was clear: There are white men in the northwest, asian people in the middle and east, native poeple (like in America or Polynesia) in the south. So I have no problems to think, spanish speaking people were gone to Latina or dutch and lower-german people have founded Zylanda and Van Pelt. Maybe, in some countries they dominate - but p.e. in Khaiwoon I think is a good mixture of different cultures. --Histor (talk) 23:21, 7 August 2014 (CEST)
- The 'foreign power settlers' history works well, but you need to devise a reason for them to all come here in the first place and from where. Does GB have a large deposits of natural resources or was it just a good location for a trading centre? And which empires did they come from? (Whilst my homeland of Karolia does have a strong history of maritime trade, the lack of Finnish/Estonian/Hungarian language and place names in GB would suggest that they didn't make much progress on actually conquering any of it).--Sarepava (talk) 23:28, 7 August 2014 (CEST)
I wonder why is this discussion stopped? I mean shouldn't there be some progress? I have no wish to propose any new wiki content but I want this conversation to be reinstated and discussed by others, such that this well-mapped blue nation will have a nice background story. Just one suggestion to the history: There are more historic links with Alora than Khaiwoon as Khaiwoon's current finalised history has little links with GB, and I don't see much purpose in changing Khaiwoon's history. A possible Aloran-Gobrassian Kingdom? --Happy mapping and God bleses you, ZK (talk) 09:06, 6 May 2018 (CEST)