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2015 naming vote

This section contains details about the voting that occurred in the OGF community in November 2015 to choose the names of the oceans and new continents.

Vote Results	Voter List	Other suggestions for oceans	Other suggestions for continents
Q2 - OCEAN "A" Ardentic Ocean — 28 Aulamic Ocean — 18 Edamic Ocean — 7 Paganthic Ocean — 7 Q3 - OCEAN "B" Hesperic Ocean — 23 Esolantic Ocean — 16 Tarephic Ocean — 16 Eunoan Ocean — 13 Q4 - OCEAN "C" Asperic Ocean — 18 Caolian Ocean — 16 Immian Ocean — 13 Pholtosic Ocean — 8 Q5 - CONTINENT "D" Orano — 17 Reiodia — 15 Diseria — 13 Shango — 10 Q6 - "E" & "F" DIFFERENT OR SAME? different — 28 same — 17 Q7 - CONTINENT "E" Ereva — 17 Burgessa — 11 Prosperia — 10 Walentha — 10 Ceania — 9 Lomica — 9 Calmiranna — 7 Epica — 6 Q8 - CONTINENT "F" Kartumia — 17 Sagittea — 14 Suditia — 12 Bragonica — 11 Saldonia — 9 Fandaria — 5 Q9 - "E" & "F" IF SAME North Ereva/South Ereva — 27 North Bragonica/South Bragonica — 11 Q10 - CONTINENT "G" Pelanesia — 25 Nuarcanta — 16 Sangran — 10 Littore — 9 Chalmagoria — 8	Andy BMSOUZA BelpheniaProject Bhj867 Boge Canclaret connor deltanz Demuth dono87 dsaneus Easky30 EMKLI Ernestpcosby histor iBallisticwolf2 isleño JBStad1 joschi81 kalh79 KVh Leowezy Luciano Minei3oat okiazr oscar2002 Oxalia PColumbus611 Pawl Paxtar Portopolis Reece202 Sarepava stennes Subway thilo Thunderbird tom_m7 tule00 Ūdilugbulgidħū waa wangi Y Knott Yiyi Yuanls	Abissen Abysmal Abysmic Apudmundic Ardenic Ardic Aulaumic Austerian Bellicose Borawian Bulboph Calian Central Commonian Commotic Divine Ocean of Divinity Eppec Eufalora Extremic Ferus The Forum Fujin Grandic Hanba Hesparic Hidoic Imentet Interic Intralandic Kaesatic Latinian Long Odemic Profundic Remonthantic Rondic Scyphus Senifinatic Serene Serenic Shemian Strandic Ultric Violer	Amoria Arofia Arophia Berloga Bevyry Branloe Brillandia Crescentia Dirawong Diseria Dorant Enshantha Enshanthia Epika Eppiconen Eschatonia Forgia Hedswerth Higureriku Ignota Inselia Islebithia Kokopelli Kutruk Lomika Mamaqucha Mulentha Mulenthia Nativia North Columbus North Epica/Nordepika North Lomica/Nordlomika Ohano Oruno Osuno Polhusnesos Prospheria Regulentha Regulenthia Saldonia Samuyama Sarisari South Columbus South Epica/Südepika South Lomica/Südlomika Vaarisoria Viridae Viridia Viventhia Walenthia Yole Zeanien

Names for Seas and Bays arround Mergany (east of the Darcodian Sea)

Hi, I propose names for some unnamed seas in Uletha, east region of the Darcodian Sea, around Mergany.

33 = Gulf of Volta

64 = Strait of Madrin

South of 64 there's another strait on my territory, I called it Strait of Chünmen.

Does everybody agree? --Mstr (talk) 12:20, 2 January 2016‎ (CET)

No

What is that for a silly play with the german names? 1) Nümchen is München and 2) München lays not at the sea. So this name is no acceptable name for a shipping-strait. (You can answer in german, if you want)

And please singn your text with two - and four ~ as usual in a wiki

--Histor (talk) 13:47, 2 January 2016 (CET)

The fact that real world München is not a coastal town doesn't affect fictional Nümchen's situation, I think (Mergany as a whole is surrounded by much more sea than Germany), but I agree with Histor's remark on the name plays on real world Germany. I understand the fun of changing consonants and/or vowels in words and I've seen similar fictional countries before outside OGF (even created a few myself), but I fear that after some time you'll find these names less funny and perhaps even boring. To avoid that you lose interest in elaborating your country, I would suggest that you change some names. I think that e.g. Nümchen, Yabern, Rüthingen, and even Mergany itself could be random enough to keep (so then the Strait of Nümchen - to keep this comment on-topic - would be acceptable i.m.o.), but e.g. Pheinland-Ralz, Bürttemwerg, and Vocklenburg-Merpommern sound somewhat over the top to me. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2016 (CET)

Hi, I'm sorry that the names of my cities are not approved by other users. I know where München and other German cities are located in real, but my intention was not to copy them.

What's about the Gulf of Volta and Strait of Madrin (the question)?

Thanks for the tip how to sign! --Mstr (talk) 15:13, 2 January 2016‎ (CET)

For me those two are OK, but see also my side question in my proposal below regarding sea nr. 30: since OGF participants may change (and with them their countries), the original names after which seas are named could disappear at one point; if that's no big problem, then Gulf of Volta and Strait of Madrin could be good - but the opinions of the users that have countries bordering those seas should weigh heavier than mine.

As said regarding the names: Nümchen etc could pass as coincidental look-alikes, but with Pheinland-Ralz it's very obvious that they were based on the German originals, so other users may expect them to be copies of their real world originals. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 15:49, 2 January 2016 (CET)

I find this blanket use of spoonerisms somewhat irritating, and more like parody than realism. Names like Pheinland-Ralz and Siedernachsen would have English-languages parallels like Cistrict of Dolumbia or Dorth Nakota, which make no sense --Pawl (talk) 16:09, 3 January 2016 (CET)

Name for sea nr. 30

Is it possible to name sea nr. 30 (bordering the Northeastern Confederacy, UL052, Wyster, (Glaster), Latania, Neberly, and Jörmungand) Gulf/Bay of Hel (named after the town in southern Jörmungand/UL080)? I noticed however that its owner User Herickdaufenbauch hasn't mapped anything in the last six months. Would it be a risk to name a sea (or whatever else) after something related to particular countries whose owners (and therefore their shapes) may be subject to change? --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2016 (CET)

I would rather like to give it a completely new name, unrelated to the nearby countries. Like "Cyan Sea", or "Starving Sea". Or to remember a well forgotten real-life name. E.g. it could be Axine Sea (after original Ancient Greek / Scythian name for the Black Sea; so old that even the classical sources don't use it.) Hellerick (talk) 06:48, 8 January 2016 (CET)

What about the Emerald Sea? I decided that that will be the Wystrian name of sea nr 30 (Faer Moorg, in Wystrian); if others adopt (translations of) this name, it would match, but I won't be sad if they don't. --Rasmus Rasmusson (talk) 00:26, 8 December 2017 (CET)

I don't know if the name is already made official, but personally I like Emerald Sea. I also call it Emeraldimeri in Eelandese. --Eevee (talk) 13:26, 25 July 2020 (CEST)

Naming question

Well, on my territory there's an mostly enclosed bay (which is so minor part of the ocean, that it's not even numbered on map shown on the page). Can I name it if it's only surrounded by my territory, and it's not possible for it to have borders with any other country? --Trabantemnaksiezyc (talk) 19:39, 12 April 2016 (CEST)

If you mean this bay, then I can't see any problem at all with you naming it - it is almost entirely enclosed by your country, as you say. Call it what you like - and of course in your country's language any part of the world can also be called anything you like. The only rule you should probably bear in mind is this one: 'Be original. Try to avoid using well-known place names, real or fictional.'--Udilugbuldigu (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2016 (CEST)

Suggestions for other names

• Sea no.41: Watamak Bay (after a state of Commonia near the bay)
• Sea no.42: West Commonian Sea (not named after West Commonia,but after the western half of Commonia)
• Sea no.43: Augieas Bay (after the West Commonian island close to the sea)
• Sea no.44: North Gwynian Bay
• Sea no.45: Gulf of Andalaz

New Map for Easier Searching (and Editing)

The old static map seemed difficult to edit, so I created the version below, which would be easier to add/delete names. I added everything that's listed on the current Names of Continents and Oceans page and then checked individual country pages to see if there had since been names determined for large bodies of water that weren't listed here, and added a few more. I stuck to major bodies of water that were either international or very large—not all of the hundreds of smaller bays, since the map would get very crowded (though I did add several straits which seemed like they'd be important to global shipping routes). Could we replace the static map with this version?

Also, does anyone know how/if it's possible to have different-colored markers? If so, I could add markers to major seas, gulfs, and bays that don't currently have names to make them easy to spot, similar to how the static map is structured. Also, no matter what coordinates I chose I couldn't get it the Ardentic to show up...any ideas as to why? -- LW _(talk) 26 January 2018 (EST)

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This map is nice, but very confusing somehow. You can create your own markers. Maybe it is not the aim of this page to simply add/delete names? Only international bodies of water should be shown here. International means: e.g. areas with many neighboring countries or straits which connect large seas.--Mstr (talk) 18:02, 27 January 2018 (CET)

Fixed your problem with the Ardentic - you used a slash instead of a comma. _zM (talk) 18:52, 27 January 2018 (CET)

@Mstr - Feedback appreciated! Though I admit to some confusion about your comment. Right now only bodies of water like those you've described (international waters and key straits) are mapped, for the most part. There are a few exceptions: namely seas located completely within one country that are already included on the static map (i.e. the Sea of Orinoco), or are so huge that it seemed strange not to have them labeled (i.e. the Norðsþverganga in Norðurland). Which small seas outside of international areas should be removed? I'm happy to update!

Also, I was thinking that the goal of the page make it easy to figure out the name of shared bodies of water if you are new to mapping in an area with established neighbors, not just to add/delete names (though ease of updating was a big motivator). It seems easier to me to click on a marker on the map and see the name (and link to a related wiki page) rather than find the number and scroll down to the list, since it eliminates the scrolling and searching parts and consolidates all of the info into one place (the map).

@_zM - Oy, dumb mistake! Thank you! No idea how I missed that. LW _(talk) 13:16, 27 January 2018 (EST)

I've changed some markers to show that different sizes improve the map. You're right, at the moment there is only the old list replaced, but it is very common in the wiki that as soon as there's a map where you can add something very easily, everybody does so.--Mstr (talk) 19:36, 27 January 2018 (CET)

👍👍👍 That's awesome, thank you! I just figured out where to find the key of available icons. I love these changes, I just wasn't aware of how to create different symbols until now, thank you! I'll update the full map soon. LW _(talk) 13:42, 27 January 2018 (EST)

OK, markers have been updated. I tried to create a new set specifically for this map but they didn't look quite right, so I went with existing markers, though if anyone with an eye for icon design wants to take a crack at something different I think they could still be tweaked to more clearly communicate what they're marking. LW _(talk) 01:29, 28 January 2018 (EST)

You missed out 'Archanta Major' and 'Archanta Minor'.--Happy mapping and God bless, ZK (talk) 09:36, 28 January 2018 (CET)

Thanks, added those in! Also worth noting: if the main page were updated with this map, I could also create lists of all of the major international bodies of water and landmasses hyperlinked to their respective pages, so that people could do a quick Ctrl+F search for place names, too. LW _(talk) 10:35, 28 January 2018 (EST)

There are more regions and rivers stated on the page concerning Uletha.--Happy mapping and may God bless you, ZK (talk) 13:21, 2 February 2018 (CET)

Should rivers be included? It seems like the original map was just focused on large bodies of water and major landmasses, but not rivers. I think that makes sense since rivers are much more likely to change over time as mappers revise, or leave and delete their old work, whereas big bays and seas and straits shared by multiple countries aren't likely to disappear. But if we can all agree what makes a river "major" (i.e. at least XX km in length and crossing through at least three countries) they could probably be added. --LW _(talk) 12:09, 2 February 2018 (EST)

Peninsula with Peninsulas

Okay, so, I noticed that the stretch of land in Uletha that starts in Midistland is a peninsula, and a very large one at that. Does anybody here think it'd work to mark it on the map? Midine Peninsula might be a nice name.

Yes, this peninsula should definitely have a name. I estimate that around 450 000 000 people live there. It could even be considered a subcontinent -- either way, it does need a name. --tule00 01:57, 23 February 2019 (CET)

Miotian Sea

I was wondering, now that I'm the only active user mapping at the Miotian Sea (with user Clik who I'm in full collaboration with) and that Miotia, a region of Ispelia, has officially moved to Eastern Uletha, could I rename the sea to something more.. Antharian? like Antharian Sea? I mean it would make sense because Hellanesians (Ancient Eganians) had to cross this sea to get from the Asperic Ocean to Antharia, a former Eganian oversea territory. --Stjur (talk • OGF) 19:50, 24 July 2018 (CEST)

It isn't always a good idea to name the body of water after the existing country... Anyway something needs to be done. Maybe the sea has a characteristic feature like algas which gave it a specific color or something? --Rüstem Paşa ^Discussion 20:20, 24 July 2018 (CEST)

Well it's not a problem anymore as I'm the only user mapping at the Miotian Sea and as I have a fairly reasonable historical explanation for the name. And about the others who will come, well, as you see in this discussion, it's the "first comer" who is able to name a place the way he wants --Stjur (talk • OGF) 20:48, 24 July 2018 (CEST)

Name for the brace of water between Gwynian and the FSA and limits for the White Sea

Theoretical borders of the water bodies

Hi, owner of Adaria here. Early in my work here in the wiki, I was looking for the names given for the bodies of water around my area. I saw that Adaria was at least partially bathed by the waters of the White Sea, but the limits of it seem blurry. It is clear that the White Sea is the interior body of water that lies west of the Mecyna Isthmus, but some depict the White Sea to go as far west as being all the coast of southern Gwynian, the place which in this very article is called as the "Gwynian sea", with an alternate name calling it the White Sea as well.

As far as I know, the White sea is called this way in reference to Gwynian, which is also called "Blanquiana" in Castellanese, which would translate as "Whiteland". There are many ways for naming the bodies of water of the region, but I see three distinct landmasses; An outer sea, open to the Asperic Ocean to the west and south, which is tagged as the "Gwynian Sea" in the map; An inner sea between southern Archanta Major and eastern Gwynian, which is tagged as "White Sea", and a brace of water, joining both, that separates southern Adaria and the eastern coast of Ordania from the FSA, more concretely Cosperica. My proposal is to call the channel in between as the "Gwynian Channel". That's the way I call it from Adaria to differentiate the eastern from the southern coast. However, this is still open to additional namings, specially from the FSA side. If I don't see any signifficant backlash or other suggestion, I'm gonna add it on the map on the next day or two. --Martinawa (talk) 16:58, 17 October 2018 (CEST)