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	Territory ID and proposed name
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AR120-52 Mishota

Exchange for Oakley (no stepping out I want this)

	Physical geography
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Majority of the state would be fields with very little woodland even in the south. The south would have more forest to scale from the rest of the state but it would still have many gaps in it. The current mapping there gives an idea to how it would look.

Many rivers would flow to the west into the unnamed river. Some water around Eriksburg would flow directly to Lake Leighton via Zakahigan though.

The Gaudette Lakes are in a place that does not make a lot of sense in terms of geology so they would be moved south.

Temperatures would be similar to Indiana or Illinois.

	Human geography
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The entire state's population could be around 2.9 million with a GDP of almost $200 billion.

Unlike Indiana the population will be spread across many smaller cities instead of one huge one. Most people would also be on the edges of the state

Eriksburg, the largest city with 500k people, would have lots of manufacturing and also be a hub for exporting goods to the rest of the state.

The second largest city with 100k people would be Springifeld with not too much to note about it other than it being an agricultural center for the area with a large cargo station to export most things.

The third largest city and also capital of the state Virestrom would have only 80k people. It would have been a historical city for the state and in general it's one of the richest cities in the state with most jobs there being office or management related. A few good sized brands may take headquarters there.

Most industries in the state would be agriculture, manufacturing, or oil mining. There are, of course, other industries but they are not nearly as prominent as those three.

Mishota would closely follow the administrative hierarchy of Michigan with Counties, Townships, Cities, and Villages (cities are separate from townships with villages are not). Townships would also be 36 square miles.

Most likely the state has had a slow in growth if not a complete halt over the past 30-40 years as most people leave for better job opportunities in places like Lake City or Wallawaukee.

The state would lack almost any form of city or port on Lake Seneppi relying mostly on rail for most things because of horrible road conditions.

A simple sketch of Mishota can be found here

	History & culture
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Based on the states around it there would most likely be many subgroups of Ojibwe originally in the state. The name “Mishota” could have an unknown origin as it sounds plausible to have roots in an Ojibwe language/sublanguage.

Historically the region could have undergone Vallonese occupation in the past influencing place names to have their origins in French. It would have been admitted to the union in 1815 (open to change) and have been occupied mostly through freight railways, still very present in the state. PLSS surveys would have taken place making the rural areas look similar to what you’d see in the midwestern US, especially the states of Illinois and Indiana.

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Places made for the application:

Howind

Gonwild (though older still somewhat holds up to the theme if I just remove some forests)

Unnamed Township (I plan to finish this over the duration of the application instead of waiting to apply once completing it due to it being more rural mapping with an even smaller town)

Places I made in Oakley:

Ancaster and Siveroak

Miaconda

An Unnamed Village

Howwe (New Bridge was made by what with small additions I made)

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MiniMapper (talk) 23:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

	Discussion
	Discussion for clarification & decision

As said above this is an exchange for Oakley and I cant state enough that I wont step out of this (I hate myself for doing that). If you want to you can impose some sort of restriction for me to not exchange again if your worried I just want to be in a familiar theme instead of being part of three things in a theme that I have never seen in my life. I am still part of NC and Eustacia so i am not just leaving the East Coast as a whole. MiniMapper (talk) 23:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hello, a few questions as prospective neighbor.

• Just to understand, are you certain there would be a complete lack of woodlands? I would imagine the bluffs along the Akogama and other intermittent wooded areas would still have heavily wooded areas. Now, if you're suggesting that the situation would be no woodlands as a source of industry (e.g. no lumber), then that makes sense.
• For clarification, how big would the metropolitan areas be for these cities? The numbers you mention are for the cities themselves (both of which are reasonable). Eriksburg could easily encroach up to one million with that population base, and it would historically fit well, for example.
• There are a few regional considerations, too. Ideally, Springfield would be somewhere near the three-state confluence (where the Akogama converges with the IR–IL border river). The proposed location is incredibly close to Armot and wouldn't be well-spaced with surrounding cities of notable size. It would be nice to see the FS-2 corridor (roughly) retain its historical importance as a major overland road, then railroad, then major paved road, then motorway.
• Relatedly, you may wish to consider working with Tybear (or have a regional discussion) about possibly having a straightforward 10/20 concurrency to minimize impact. The tolled highway is a needless legacy matter.
• I am glad you're willing to incorporate the existing mapping in Shreevesport and Nordseehaven (potentially tweaking its name?). That said, I do think it unlikely that there would be no port in Shreevesport at the mouth of the Akogama. Consider smaller infrastructure that still has minor industrial use like Sandusky, Ohio or potentially as large as Ashtabula, OH.
• Your rough statements about hydrology are generally fine (the Gaudette Lakes make no sense at all in that state), but a few quick points. The far northeast corner probably drains into Mennowa; we can work out with Tybear if there is something to do with the Mississaukee River originating in your state, flowing east into ZH, and then flowing north at Cathammer into Mennowa. Regardless, a few notable reeks flow from your state to the north in that area. Please also carefully consider how the prominent Neeseehoho River flows south from Tennewa into the state.
• Likewise, the rest of the hydrology in the present state will need reimagining. Don't be afraid (in fact, be encouraged) to scrap it all together apart from established things at or along borders. For example, I could see a scenario where the river at Eriksburg actually flows north instead of east or south. Creating a break in watersheds across the southern part of the state and into west-central ZH may be a great way to account for Tybear's extant wooded nature preserve, the meandering routing of FS-71, the lack of development you're proposing (and ZH seems to reinforce). It also might be easier, since Tybear's current hydrology near Maquadena is very compact—part of what makes that port location clear of silt and other river debris. I would strongly consider talking it out and throwing out the majority of what is there. The glaciated lakes in the southern part of the state really only make sense if there is a ridge line (do not read that as mountains, but rather as simply a high point between watersheds) in this location. If you do want things flowing south through the central part of the state, then the glaciated lakes will have to go. We can relocate those to -56 or -57 with ease.

I hope all that makes sense. Let me know if you have any questions about what I'm asking. — Alessa _(talk) 01:19, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

• Hello! Thank you for your response, I will try to answer all of your questions :D

• "Are you certain there would be a complete lack of woodlands?" For the application I just put there would be a lack of woodlands because last time I tried to apply for this state with What it was mentioned that there was quite a bit of forest for the state then what would seem normal. There will be forest in places like on rivers and that Bison Hills (which will be staying). There will be forest in areas because of its theme being similar to Indiana and Illinois just not as much as the crazy amount I wanted last time.
• "How big would the metropolitan areas be for these cities?" To tell the truth I don't really have a number for those yet but Eriksburg will have around 1M people in its metro. I am open for recommendations for those numbers though with time I will have them all. For now it can be estimated that most cities metro will be 1.5-2 time larger in population then city proper.
• Springfield was the city that was mostly an idea that could happen instead of a proper city I knew I wanted. It was more for others who might like the theme to map in because recently I seen RhodeIslandRW wanted this state so I wanted to reserve a place for him in case he still wanted it then he just applied for another state so its propose is null now. I can still map it and let others also do so but I can move it down to the tri-state border.
• I feel stupid for not asking him anything about it but truthfully it just looked normal to me haha. I will talk with tybear about fixing that though.
• The idea was to have a small one or none because while creating this application I was reading Aces' application for Iroquesia and it sounded like the Lake Seneppi end of the state would lack any major port so I thought because of proximity to Iroquesia it would be similar in -52 also. I can add a port though!
• I was going to remove The Gaudette Lakes no matter what because I remember you mentioning they should not be there before but I did not realize there was a river flowing into Mennowa. Now that I am aware of it I can put some of its watershed in the northwest corner of the state. I noticed the Neeseehoho River and tried to mark it with the visible river in the application map but I should how marked its name also. Anyhow dont worry about me forgetting it!
• That idea you propose sounds really cool! Reminds me of the middle portion of the Indiana Illinois border. I would love to work that out with Tybear :D

I hope this answers your questions about the state and you even gave me some fun ideas with that last point. I would love to talk with you and Tybear about making that happen! MiniMapper (talk) 02:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Just to clarify, this state application would be for you, not for you to open up areas for other mappers to join you. As you can tell from Alessa’s comments, the regional neighbors in this area have all put a lot of work and a lot of thought into this part of the FSA already, and maintaining that continuity is important to them (and myself). For that reason I’d like to see you work out some of those hydrology suggestions and make a basic sketch plan of how the state would “flow” before wangi and I take a closer look. Feel free to reach out to your potential neighbors in the meantime to make sure it makes sense to them as well. -TheMayor (talk) 02:59, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes I am aware this would be for myself. I might take a little time but I will try to work with everyone to workout the hydrology in the area, mainly with Tybear and Alessa. I really like Alessa's idea so I will try to work that out with both of them to see if it could happen :D MiniMapper (talk) 14:47, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Okay I hope this image is good. I worked with Alessa and Tybear on it and I hope the highway and hydrology fixes look better! You can find the image here. MiniMapper (talk) 20:00, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm much more on board with this. A few minor things outstanding with the new image. Eriksburg should not be drifting that close to the state line. Its current location some 20–25 miles west of the line is better, especially on the river. It would have been an early center in that state, so distance with the state line is better. I also suggest having the river come from the southeast at Howeather instead of the path mapped here. With those minor adjustments, I'm on board. — Alessa _(talk) 18:46, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Okay here is a modified version then with some fixes to the river and city location. Hope this looks better :D MiniMapper (talk) 19:02, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Nice job. I think it works pretty well. — Alessa _(talk) 19:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

	Territory application approved
	With the most recent changes per Alessa's suggestions, and contingent that no other mappers would be sharing work in this state, as well as a six-month prohibition on any new applications, I'm approving this application as a swap for AR120-13. --TheMayor (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
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