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	Territory ID and proposed name
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BG21^∈^⊾

AR001 - the Circuit of Melawan, Kitayana (part of a federation-state project that I've got in my mind for which I've already mapped at least one candidate city to duplicate into when I get to the phase of developing its mainland)

	Physical geography
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climate - tropical all over w/ monsoons between late-May and mid-November each year
topography - not gonna try to fix it bcuz it's already been mapped to a quality I can accept but anyway lemme describe it in simple terms: mountainous in the northern half + flat in the southern half ^_^
landscapes - lush mounts of forest in the northeast + northwest that become somewhat more rugged closer to the middle - this becomes more wetland-ish in the southern half (especially closer to the coastline)
phys geo sketch for this territory - here （￣︶￣）↗

	Human geography
	A brief description of the territory demographics, economic development, land occupation, infrastructure and mapping style

demographics - a half-rural, half-urban permanent population of btwn. 500K and 1M
economic development - similar to that of Thailand w/ the added bonus of heavily benefitting from tourism since late into the 1970s when it joined the Federation of Kitayanese Circuits (mainland yet to be mapped)
land occupation + infrastructure - unevenly distributed within the territory w/ the south being more urban in infrastructure and habitation than the rural north
mapping style - generally to be inspired by the IRL resort areas of Pattaya and Khao Yai (both in Thailand)

	History & culture
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history - indigenously inhabited by the Melawanese people since c. the 23rd century BCE w/ a century-long colonial period from the 1870s to the 1970s (similar to IRL HK and Macau) after which it joined the sovereign federation it's part of today
culture + language - similar to that of the IRL Isaan region of Thailand + eastern Malaysia w/ an indigenous language similar to IRL Tagalog/Atayal as well as a good command of IRL English + Malay

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Ishiyama city - an incomplete metropolitan city project intended for copying later w/ a pretty mountainous topography + some lush forest landscapes mixed in a way similar to this territory (ik it's still obviously WIP but... at least having it on hand's better than having nothing to prove for this section (✿◠‿◠))

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Mikumikumapper (talk) 14:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

	Discussion
	Discussion for clarification & decision

Hi, I'm Lemuria, the mapper of nearby Lutang, a Philippines-themed country. Your application's great, but:

What does the red text in your sketch say? It's unreadable to me. It says something like "Kopayin" which makes no sense to me.
Ishiyama City, while well-mapped, doesn't really fit the intended theme of the region.
- Also, the expressways are too far apart (from eyeballing it, it is 200 meters, whereas more realistically-scaled expressways are 15-25m apart between lanes.
- You may want to consider requesting a Beginner territory to have a dedicated place to develop your Pattaya-style mapping outside of the blue territories, or you can use the NUPDZ right away.
What will be the mapping language of Melawan?

Overall, welcome to OGF, and happy mapping! Lemuria (talk) 15:24, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

thanks （￣︶￣）↗　 so I intended to write "keep as is" with that red text in the sketch but it was on a laptop w/o a stylus so it became unreadable... ◑﹏◐ and also yeah although it's still imperfect as of now (I mean I admit there's probably too much of a distance btwn the expressways I mapped there and so on) I intend to make a copy of Ishiyama City when I get to my federation project's mainland phase (ie. after I've significantly developed AR001 from what already exists there) speaking of which I'll write down the important bits of my current Federation of Kitayanese Circuits project plan for ya:

phase I - AR001 to be further developed from what's already mapped there as an offshore circuit of the federation (ie. what I'm currently seeking for w/ this application)
phase II - AR002 to be further developed from what's already mapped there as the federation's mainland - I'm planning to copy Ishiyama City into there just so you know what I meant before ^_^

and while I'm still on this application lemme tell ya that I'm planning to map Melawan using a mix of English + a Tagalog/Atayal-like conlang - on a closing note I probably should request a BG territory for myself to develop some Pattaya/Khao Yai-style mapping like you said just to ensure I have something that fits my intended theme when I revisit this application later on ok （￣︶￣）↗　Mikumikumapper (talk) 04:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC) (PS. on the expressways mapped in Ishiyama City - I wanna especially mention the CNX and NKX as my worst offenders here k)

Again, you say you want to copy Ishiyama City into AR002 - I'm afraid that AR002 just isn't meant for East Asia-style mapping. It'd have to be more of the Pattaya-style stuff, and if you do get to Sae, you'd now be bordering Lutang and would have to start coordinating stuff with me. And I'm glad you're mentioning the CNX and NKX as "your worst offenders" - this shows you are making progress with mapping realistic expressways. Lemuria (talk) 12:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

ikr ^_^ (NB: look there and you'll see that I'm just getting started w/ rescaling my aforementioned worst offender expressways)

that said I'm gonna give up on copying Ishiyama City into AR002 in the longer run bcuz after reading your reply I've also become more concerned about that not fitting into such a territory - now back to my AR001 plans (^人^) I've been thinking about putting this app on hold just to allow myself to request a BG territory where I can do my own Pattaya-style mapping for a month as prep for AR001... you think that sounds like a good plan in the meantime? o(*￣▽￣*)ブ Mikumikumapper (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

After doing some more extensive assesments of your mapping ability, I would probably say that 30-60 mapping days (1-2 months) of doing Pattaya-style mapping in a BG territory is what's needed. You have potential in improving; but you're not quite there yet. P.S. on what side of the road will the country be driving on? Lutang, like the Philippines, drives on the right, which will be important to know when you claim Sae in the long term. Lemuria (talk) 22:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

actually I was wondering if the country could drive on the left like in Thailand (where Pattaya's located in) ⊙.☉ but then again I still agree that I need to improve by doing some Pattaya-style mapping in a BG territory for at least a month before I can revisit this app (having someone close it in the meantime) okie ^_^ Mikumikumapper (talk) 04:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

PS. @wangi - would you mind closing this app for me for now? bcuz I've chosen to take lemuria's advice and wanna request a BG territory where I can develop the mapping style (Pattaya-ish) that I feel suits AR001 best + you're also in charge of managing the BG territories so o(*￣▽￣*)ブ Mikumikumapper (talk) 07:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I have assigned you BG21 /wangi (talk) 19:35, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

	Territory application approved
	Request for BG territory approved - BG21. Note that beginner territories are not for long term mapping, they are for building up experience and a show case of mapping for a future application. Pay attention to scale, and also good overview sketches for the next application. /wangi (talk) 19:35, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
	As you develop your territory, be sure to keep it realistic. Here are some resources you may find useful for starting out: Help:Portal, Help:Making realistic countries, Help:Making realistic cities and OpenGeofiction:Site policies