Forum:Territory application/TA330 Woolloons Republic
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TA 330 Woolloons Republic
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Map of TA330 Woolloons Republic
Woolloons is a republic in the south of Tarephia. It is bordered by Tigeria to the north, the Sea of Oridica to the east, the Strait of Lyc to the south, and the Soboko Republic to the west. The defining feature of Woolloons is the Long Lake, a narrow lake in a valley created by the same tectonic faults which separate the Cinq Îles of Tigeria from the mainland.
The Tigerine Mountains of Tigeria continue into Woolloons and divide the nation into east, central, and west regions. The east is characterized by the Long Lake and the Long Hills, the center is defined by the Êtureil River. The west is known for the Euthailun Desert in the northwest and Woolloons Bay in the southwest.
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The capital of Woolloons is Néroli. Located in the south near the mountain passes into the Long Lake and Êtureil River valleys, it is a popular location for merchants to move goods inland.
Shepherd Arms is the largest city. It’s a center for defense, manufacturing, fishing, and agriculture. Most of the population is within ten miles of the coast. Woolloons remained part of Franqueterre for many centuries and was one of the last Franquese colonies to be granted independence in the 1970s.
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TA330 Historical cultural regions
Woolloons was sparsely populated for many centuries as land for farming was very limited. The first settlements on the coasts were several small fishing villages of the coastal Tigerine tribes.
When the Bai explorers passed through the Strait of Lyc, many of small settlement were overlooked, and the Bai people founded the city of Ng Lung in Woolloons Bay. For centuries, the city and region struggled to survive amidst famine and natural destruction, and Ng Lung came close to abandonment many times.
When the Franquese arrived, they called the land Oulouns (a corruption of Ng Lung), introduced sheep to the region and founded the city of Bras Pastoraux, the shepherds' city, from which they established a wool trade to provide textiles to the region. Woolloons then became part of the expanding Franquese empire. Due to its distance from the center of the empire, its lack of fertile land, and its apparent lack of natural resources, Woolloons was not invested in by the empire for many centuries.
The Great War brought much change to Woolloons, and the nation underwent an industrial boom to support the Franquese war effort. Woolloons was granted independence during this time to prevent it from being used as collateral to pay off Franquese war debts. However, Bras Pastoraux was captured by the Federal States for its strategic location and renamed to Shepherd Arms. The city remained under Federal States control and became a military arsenal for the Federal States operations in the Tarephias until the early 2020s when the city was transferred to Woolloons in 2021.
Today, much of the east coast is Federal States-influenced, with modern motorways connecting the coastal cities. The center and west and primarily grasslands and ranchlands for shepherding. The Shepherd Arms Air Force Base continues to be on lease to the Federal States and is a major source of income for Woolloons.
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Chazeltine (talk) 00:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Chazeltine. While I think TA330 is a reasonable claim to stake, I do have my concerns about this application; in particular about the involvement of the FSA. Already, Tigeria contains Bai, Franquese and a variety of other cultural references - some of which clash with the surrounding area; though we've spoken about this in the past. However, I really don't think that adding an American flavour to this region makes a lot of sense from a cohesion standpoint as well as a historical standpoint - simply put, there's very little reason to assume within the established canon of the region the FSA to have had any influence in this region at any point, let alone as late as the 2020's. Rather than this new country which would bring with it a variety of new history and cultures that may or may not be reasonable (I personally seriously oppose the FSA having essentially any physical influence over Tarephia), I'd be much less opposed to having Tigeria absorb TA330; but under the condition that this leads to a territory that is, overall, more cohesive. A melting pot is a great overall concept, but it performs best if either, the various cultures blend together to meld into a whole, or if there is a clear dividing line between them. (Also, when proposing the name of a country where the economy seems to be substantially based around sheep herding... don't make it "Woolloons". "Nomen est omen" rarely holds up when it comes to geography.) Taka (talk) 19:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Taka! I'd like to keep TA330 separate from Tigeria for now because I plan for the two territories to have different colonial histories. When I say FSA influences, I mean the style of mapping in the Quentinsburgh region where there are grid urban plans and motorways (the actual colonial power in TA330 can be Ingerland instead of the FSA). I do agree with working on the cohesiveness of the region (the border would be a formality from a sociopolitical standpoint), and I will be adjusting the historic regions of Tigeria and TA330 to reflect the current sociopolitical situation in the Lyc (which is radically different than it was seven years ago and continues to shift). The name for TA330 can be Engloons. Chazeltine (talk) 21:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- As the mapper of the Quentinsburgh region, I don't see TA330 having a motorway heavy grid style as furthering cohesiveness in the region in the slightest. It should be noted that while I have retained Quentinsburgh and some parts of the urban coast as a sort of, Ingerish influenced exception, that much of the rest of Freedemia is slowly being mapped with more Castellanese, Argentinian, etc inspired grids and less motorways outside of very large cities explicitly to move away from too much of an FSA-looking area, and have been consistently reworking Freedemia for years to reduce FSA/American parallels. The Lyc also tends to get less affluent/developed the further west you go, making TA330 probably not the best place to hyperdevelop in the name of regional cohesion. --Ernestpkirby (talk) 23:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The spectrum of affluence on the Lyc isn't so much east to west as it is seaboard to inland; in other words, the further from the coastal straits you are, the less affluence there tends to be (especially in the rural areas). TA330 also is on the transition zone between Franquese and Ingerish influences according to the continental plan, so TA330 faces different influences than Freedemia. I'd like for there to be consistency in the Ingerish-influenced areas of the Lyc, so if not Quentinsburgh, perhaps Lawrence-Lenseter is a better city in Ingerish-speaking Freedemia which I can model the Ingerish regions of TA330 on? Otherwise, I'm probably taking urban planning influences from Fojenica and explaining the differences as Ingrea favoring Freedemia to its other colonial possessions in the Lyc. Chazeltine (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Chaz just a comment, Tigeria has already lots of different colonizer presences on the map so could it not work just have 330 as part of Tigeria even with the different colonial history? To makes sense especially since already there are a lot of Tigerian allies/territories in the Lyc to consilidate at least something. Brunanter (talk) 22:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- It sounds like the issue is more the outdated cohesiveness of Tigeria and TA330 which could be improved. I do agree to shifting and working on the regional cohesiveness of Tigeria and TA330. But I would prefer to keep the territories separate (maybe there would be a national referendum in the near future?). Chazeltine (talk) 19:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a tentative map of historical cultural regions to better visualize how the sociopolitical landscape may have looked. The intent is to preserve and extend the existing cultural and architectural work which I've already done in Tigeria down to TA330; the known exception is the Kalmish cultural region which I will relocate from up north at the Allendean border to the coast opposite Saint Margaret. Chazeltine (talk) 20:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- As the mapper of the Quentinsburgh region, I don't see TA330 having a motorway heavy grid style as furthering cohesiveness in the region in the slightest. It should be noted that while I have retained Quentinsburgh and some parts of the urban coast as a sort of, Ingerish influenced exception, that much of the rest of Freedemia is slowly being mapped with more Castellanese, Argentinian, etc inspired grids and less motorways outside of very large cities explicitly to move away from too much of an FSA-looking area, and have been consistently reworking Freedemia for years to reduce FSA/American parallels. The Lyc also tends to get less affluent/developed the further west you go, making TA330 probably not the best place to hyperdevelop in the name of regional cohesion. --Ernestpkirby (talk) 23:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Territory application approved |
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| Approved, but as a merging of TA330 into TA331. I'm sure you can make that work. Also, we don't want to see a resurrection of one of OGF's most cringey past territories - Woolonia. So while the farming of ruminants may be an important part of the economy, that shouldn't translate to the populace loosing their perspective and naming loads of things after them. Also, try and reign in the number of influences - so that's a negative to the gridded cities per the concerns above, but also French, German English and Chinese is still a massive pot. I think the Chinese / Bai influence should be downplayed in the wider region. Thanks/wangi (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC) | |
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